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  Acronym help appreciated

  by sonnyboy in

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  2. friends

  i've been out of the org for around 10 years, so i'm not up on some of the jargon being used on the board.. would anyone mind making a list defining the acronyms being used (as many as you can think of)?

  i know there are tons of them; some of which are self-explanitory, and others have me stumped.

  i see a new one every time i log on.

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  This needed a bump for all the new members.
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  Greg Stafford no longer a JW

  by My Struggle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this may be old news to some while most won't even know who he is.

  in case you don't know him, he was a jw that defended many of the jw doctrine publicly.

  he did this mainly in the form of two books, jw's defended and three dissertations on the teachings of jw's.

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  Welcome Piercing the Veil....from a fellow DA ex-JW.
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  Greg Stafford no longer a JW

  by My Struggle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this may be old news to some while most won't even know who he is.

  in case you don't know him, he was a jw that defended many of the jw doctrine publicly.

  he did this mainly in the form of two books, jw's defended and three dissertations on the teachings of jw's.

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  Yaga,

  I totally agree, this is very sad. I cannot imagine how Greg feels. Though self inflicted, his situation quite hopeless. I can only hope that one day he can wake up and fully leave the witnesses.
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  Greg Stafford no longer a JW

  by My Struggle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this may be old news to some while most won't even know who he is.

  in case you don't know him, he was a jw that defended many of the jw doctrine publicly.

  he did this mainly in the form of two books, jw's defended and three dissertations on the teachings of jw's.

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  Do you know him/ go to his congergation?
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  Greg Stafford no longer a JW

  by My Struggle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this may be old news to some while most won't even know who he is.

  in case you don't know him, he was a jw that defended many of the jw doctrine publicly.

  he did this mainly in the form of two books, jw's defended and three dissertations on the teachings of jw's.

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  My Struggle

  This may be old news to some while most won't even know who he is.

  In case you don't know him, he was a JW that defended many of the JW doctrine publicly. He did this mainly in the form of two books, JW's Defended and Three Dissertations on the Teachings of JW's. He also was involved in two debates with Christian Apologists Robert Bowman and James While in regards to the Trinity. In these debates he takes a different approach than what the Borg teaches, he fully affirms Jesus as a god (but a lesser god than Jehovah), denies that Michael the Archangel is Christ, and is effectively a Henotheist. In christian apologetic circles he was well know as a JW apologist, infact THE JW apologist.

  The split seems to be over the blood issue, as he does not agree with the society. This is from his website elihubooks.com ...

  The wrongs I speak of are not just “minor” misinterpretations of certain prophecies that

  can work themselves out over time. What I am referring to are serious

  misrepresentations of Jah’s commands and of the teachings of Jesus Christ as found in

  the New Testament, commands and teachings that are fundamental to Christian faith.

  These errors are not just harmless preferences for social behavior, but they are often

  fatal positions that have no basis in Scripture and in some cases no basis even in

  science or in medicine, though they claim to be so based. When a group has some, even

  many things right but at the same time also has wrongs that it tolerates or refuses to

  correct in spite of evidence that is provided to it that reasonably shows certain teachings

  are wrong, and when those false teachings are hurting people’s faith, destroying

  families, and even causing loss of life, then Christians, Witnesses of Jah, have no

  business remaining part of that group unless it is to help correct such wrongs. And

  when it is clear that such wrongs are not or will not be corrected, then for the sake of

  Jah and Jesus Christ Christians must reject those who tolerate such things. That is why I

  am not a Trinitarian. That is why I reject Joseph Smith as a prophet of God. That is why I

  reject witchcraft and magic. That is why I do not worship Allah. That is why I will no

  longer associate myself with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. It is why I am a

  Christian Witness of Jah.
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  What is your opinion of this noted Bible scholar's inference about JWs?

  by Questions1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the winter 2009 issue of harvard divinity bulletin features a question.

  and answer segment with peter gomes.

  gomes has served.

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  I don't think that Gomes is really giving the JW much credit. I think that his point is this, There is a group of people that have odd teachings about the bible that are easily defeated with a little bible study, but you cannot do it as a believing Christian.....that is sad, and say a ton about the average Christian's understanding of the bible/how deep their faith is and the failure of church leaders as a whole.

  To your other question. YES and NO.

  NO= It is not because I was drilled, per se, as a JW about the bible but because I was fooledby the WTBTS and wanted to learn what the bible really teached.

  YES= Because they go so far in trying to proove their doctrine it has made me digg deeper than I would have otherwise.
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  Watchtower defense of NGO status in the UN

  by Psychotic Parrot in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/.

  this may have been dealt with before.

  on this site the jw's defend their ngo status in the 1990's.

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  Watchtower defense of NGO status in the UN

  by Psychotic Parrot in

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  2. scandals

  http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/.

  this may have been dealt with before.

  on this site the jw's defend their ngo status in the 1990's.

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  Parrot,

  Simply read the letter that the NGO section of the DPI put out in regards to the Watchtower and their association.....it is the first scan in the link provided in the previous post.

  The DPI would have no reason to lie, they would be easily ousted if they were to lie. Here is what they said, "By accepting association with the DPI, the organization agreed to meat criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations"

  They simply have no reason to lie about this.

  How can the Watchtower support something that it opposes soooo much.
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  Atheists/Theists: What is the best argument FOR theism (a God's existence) you have heard?

  by Spook in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have lived for the last 3 years with two phd philosophers as roomates, both in the last year of their dissertation at reputable institutions (notre dame, penn/uic respectively).

  they are both moderate semi-christian theists after having been fundamentalists as youths.

  i have a sceince and engineering background and am a naturalist atheist former jw.

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  For me, I like the philosophical argument of the reformed epistemological approach to Christian apologetics. Namely that God is a properly basic belief.

  Though, I have yet to see a debate form this perspective.
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  Another way the WT can mainstream: DF'ing time limits

  by JimmyPage in

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  2. friends

  it has been mentioned a lot here lately that the wt needs to either mainstream or become more cultish.

  if they decide to mainstream, here's another way to do it without pissing off the old timers too much.

  it would also make a lot of people within the borg very, very happy.

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  What I see are being a more realistic first step is for the Borg/BOE to stop imposing mandatory time limits on how long a person has to be D'fed before they can be reinstated. Depending on the sin it can be as short as six months, or as long as a few years; is is assuming that the D'fed person is repentant and the BOE don't need the D'fed person to meet any other requirement to be reinstated.

  I was disfellowshiped and after three months tey told me that there was noting that I could improve on, but I still had to wait a year before I could come back. This made no sense to me, but I trucked along anyway and reinstated one year to the day from when I was disfellowshiped. They did not even need to meet with me on that day, I just got a phone call and they said, ok it been a year you are now reinstated and it will be announced at the next service meeting.

  Doing away with this rule would be the first step.